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snowystingrayI think I have come to the conclusion that Lost exists purely to cause me woe.
I don't even really know much of what I feel like saying. Um? This episode inspired weird feelings of moral ooshiness. Maybe it's just because we have been so mired in this unbroken Spirit of '77 without reference to any of the other storylines that suddenly the whole creepiness factor of living in the past has just reached critical mass, but... Yeah. SO CREEPY. UGH. I MEAN JFC PEOPLE THIS IS A SMALL ADORABLE CHILD WHOSE LIFE WE ARE RUINING RIGHT ABOUT NOW and I don't know which is more unsettling -- Jack deciding to sit back and do nothing because what's the point, it'll all be the same anyway; or Kate and Sawyer helping to move things right along by agreeing to have his soul sucked out or whatever it is that they do to people's 'innocence' in the Temple. These last few episodes just have a weird, trapped, claustrophobic feeling in terms of character agency... I don't know how much that is supposed to make us look back on the first four seasons and question, well, how much were they really in control even then, or was it all fated by the island? Yet even now they are still free to act and make choices -- even though we know how things end up at some future point, maybe it's the getting there that makes all the difference... I don't know. IT'S WEIRD. I have a time travel headache. Kudos to Miles and Hurley for being hilariously meta (and for actually getting Miles some LINES and SCREEN TIME, OH YES. "You're free to go whenever you want. I'll just shoot you in the leg."). Also, ohhh, my favourite kind of Jack/Juliet scene -- the kind that ends with her going, "By the way, I left your balls by the door in case you need them back. PWNED!!!" (the first of course being "I know you're awake," in "Something Nice Back Home." BEST SCENE EVER. Actually, weirdly, the feel of this episode reminded me a lot of that one... hmmm... I don't know if there is anything significant in that).
Other weird things: Roger/Kate. What. I... uh. WEIRD. Interesting, but fundamentally WEEEEEIRDDDD. Sorry, Roger, you're still a disgusting bastard, and I can't say I'm even all that sorry to know that a tragic gassing awaits you.
Other TOTALLY F'ING AWESOME THINGS: THE LAST THIRTY SECONDS. HOLY SHIT. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ENTIRE EPISODE RIGHT THERE. NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO ROCK MY FACE OFF, OH MY GOD I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!
P.S. BUT IF BEN ACTUALLY DID KILL PENNY I WILL CUT A BITCH. NOT IN AN INTERNET METAPHORICAL WAY BUT IN A STORM-THE-LOST-WRITERS-ROOM-AND-THROTTLE-D&C WAY. FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED.
I don't even really know much of what I feel like saying. Um? This episode inspired weird feelings of moral ooshiness. Maybe it's just because we have been so mired in this unbroken Spirit of '77 without reference to any of the other storylines that suddenly the whole creepiness factor of living in the past has just reached critical mass, but... Yeah. SO CREEPY. UGH. I MEAN JFC PEOPLE THIS IS A SMALL ADORABLE CHILD WHOSE LIFE WE ARE RUINING RIGHT ABOUT NOW and I don't know which is more unsettling -- Jack deciding to sit back and do nothing because what's the point, it'll all be the same anyway; or Kate and Sawyer helping to move things right along by agreeing to have his soul sucked out or whatever it is that they do to people's 'innocence' in the Temple. These last few episodes just have a weird, trapped, claustrophobic feeling in terms of character agency... I don't know how much that is supposed to make us look back on the first four seasons and question, well, how much were they really in control even then, or was it all fated by the island? Yet even now they are still free to act and make choices -- even though we know how things end up at some future point, maybe it's the getting there that makes all the difference... I don't know. IT'S WEIRD. I have a time travel headache. Kudos to Miles and Hurley for being hilariously meta (and for actually getting Miles some LINES and SCREEN TIME, OH YES. "You're free to go whenever you want. I'll just shoot you in the leg."). Also, ohhh, my favourite kind of Jack/Juliet scene -- the kind that ends with her going, "By the way, I left your balls by the door in case you need them back. PWNED!!!" (the first of course being "I know you're awake," in "Something Nice Back Home." BEST SCENE EVER. Actually, weirdly, the feel of this episode reminded me a lot of that one... hmmm... I don't know if there is anything significant in that).
Other weird things: Roger/Kate. What. I... uh. WEIRD. Interesting, but fundamentally WEEEEEIRDDDD. Sorry, Roger, you're still a disgusting bastard, and I can't say I'm even all that sorry to know that a tragic gassing awaits you.
Other TOTALLY F'ING AWESOME THINGS: THE LAST THIRTY SECONDS. HOLY SHIT. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ENTIRE EPISODE RIGHT THERE. NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO ROCK MY FACE OFF, OH MY GOD I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!
P.S. BUT IF BEN ACTUALLY DID KILL PENNY I WILL CUT A BITCH. NOT IN AN INTERNET METAPHORICAL WAY BUT IN A STORM-THE-LOST-WRITERS-ROOM-AND-THROTTLE-D&C WAY. FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED.
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Next week is going to be AWESOME.
Date: 2009-04-02 06:21 am (UTC)Also, general theory we came up with is that whatever happened to Rousseau's team is going to happen to Ben (and just may have happened to Claire) - namely that the Temple is an "Otherizer" or something.
I actually really liked this episode. I was really sick of Kate being entirely loathsome, and while I don't think this episode totally redeems her, it certainly made me feel better about not hating Kate.
AND OMG JOHN LOCKE. We all clapped when he did his half-smile.
Re: Next week is going to be AWESOME.
Date: 2009-04-02 11:52 am (UTC)Yeah, I'm thinking you're probably right on that one. CRAZY. Boy do I love wacky island mythology.
I'm still not really sure how I feel about Kate in this episode. I can't say that I agreed with everything she did, but I do very much like that we go more of an understanding of why she did it -- and, maybe more importantly, Kate herself took some time to be introspective about her feelings and motivations, which... geez, probably hasn't happened since season three, so I think it was good to bring some of that back just in terms of making the character more readily empathized with.
I KNOWWWWW. MY LOVE FOR MINIBEN ASIDE, I HAVE SPENT THE LAST MONTH GOING "SERIOUSLY PEOPLE WHEN AM I GONNA GET ME SOME JOHN LOCKE????" AND EEEEEEE HE IS SUCH A BALD BEAUTIFUL UNDERSTATED BAMF OF A ZOMBIE. OMG. NEXT WEEK...!!!!!
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Date: 2009-04-02 01:29 pm (UTC)When Richard said that Ben would forget everything that had happened, I cringed inwardly, as I thought my (questionable) theory had just gone out the window... BUT HE MUST GO BACK TO THE DHARMA CAMP. I'm still crossing my fingers that it is Juliet who looks just like herself; I realise that it's profoundly screwed up, but...
I loved the Back To The Future reference - I was actually using Hurley's theory to interpret last week's episode, ha. And bb Ben is so cute...
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Date: 2009-04-02 01:41 pm (UTC)Yeah, I was so torn about everyone's involvement this week. On the one hand, I almost have to guiltily admit that I would probably have a Jack-ian view of, "I can't change anything, why even both, he's just going to ruin my life again, WHO CARES???!" but at the same time... AUGH. JACK. What is all this, "I'm here for a reason! I have a purpose!" nonsense if you're just going to sit inside make PB&J all day? It's kind of an interesting attitude reversal, then -- he was Mr. Do-Gooder back when he felt that it didn't matter, and now when he thinks it does it's like it still... doesn't? I DON'T KNOW. JACK YOU ARE GIVING ME CONFUSED FEELINGS ABOUT WHEN I AM SUPPOSED TO LIKE YOU. (Hint: This week? Not so much.)
I'm still crossing my fingers that it is Juliet who looks just like herself; I realise that it's profoundly screwed up, but...
IT'S NOT JUST YOU. THAT IS MY FAVOURITE THEORY EVERY. And, well, we know he does go back, right, because he's still "Dharma" through the purge and all... hmmm. I can't wait to see where this all goes, eeeee!!
And bwahaha, yes, I love when the show can be self aware about how deliciously nerdy it truly is.
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Date: 2009-04-02 01:57 pm (UTC)Part of me wishes Juliet had given Jack a good smack across the face - he really needs to snap out of it. :(
IT IS THE THEORY OF ALL THEORIES BECAUSE IT IS SO INCREDIBLY... I DON'T EVEN KNOW BUT SURELY IT CAN'T BE HEALTHY. (I'm pleading with myself not to look at it from a psychoanalytic perspective, but it's almost like the creators had that outdated paradigm in mind when writing Ben.
Note to self: stop thinking about Freud.)I CAN'T WAIT FOR IT, EITHER, EVER SINCE I BROKE MY RESOLVE TO WAIT FOR IT TO AIR OVER HERE. (They've only just shown episode 6 - how on earth did they expect us to wait!?)
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Date: 2009-04-03 06:03 pm (UTC)The time travel thingie--I'm a little worried about that. When Richard said at the end "he won't remember any of this," was that the writers trying to answer Hurley's question? Like, Ben won't remember Sayid shooting him because the Temple wiped it from his memory? Because if that's their explanation it makes ZERO sense and was totally unnecessary, as we know from Desmond.
Last thought--when was the last time we saw that curly-haired physicist in love with the redhead? I know we don't know where he is, but I can't remember when he disappeared. Can you remind me of the last time we saw him? I can't even remember his name, let alone when he disappeared, that's how long it's been....
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Date: 2009-04-04 03:11 am (UTC)Yeah, I can definitely see why he did it on those grounds... I mean, the last time he saved Ben's life it didn't quite turn up roses, then, either. But at the same time, I don't know, even though they already know how the future plays out, there is still a lot of flexibility in how they get there, you know? And that's what makes it all confusing and uncomfortable for me. So Sayid shooting Ben, for instance -- presumably this is what sets into motion the chain of events that irrevocably changes Ben into the grown up loony we know and love, even though preventing that future was why he did it in the first place! So now he probably feels even more awful because not only is Ben still a magnificent bastard, but it's all his fault, too! But then Jack not doing anything is basically causing just as much harm, so... okay. I don't really know what I'm getting at. Other than the fact that I am very much confused. :/ Anyway, I'm all for fateful "man on a mission" Jack if only because of the lolarious role reversal, but it's still kind of strange to wrap my brain around.
Because if that's their explanation it makes ZERO sense and was totally unnecessary, as we know from Desmond.
Well, I think Desmond "remembering" a new experience happened only because Desmond is weirdly exempt from a lot of the time travel rules, so I don't know if it'd be the same for everybody else in terms of changing the past and creating retroactive memories. Like Charlotte -- she remembered meeting Dan when she was a child before Dan actually went back to the 1970s and saw her, so that was a meeting that had already been cemented in the timeline and that Charlotte already knew about. So presumably it would be the same for Ben as well? Unless of course the Temple conveniently makes him forget it all, of course!
The last time we saw Daniel was... ummm... "LaFleur"? Presumably he's off doing covert science-y things like working on the Orchid as we saw in the season opener (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:FaradayPast.jpg).